KSAN "ILS Y or LOC Y RWY 9" (I-SAN) issue

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KSAN "ILS Y or LOC Y RWY 9" (I-SAN) issue Apr 6, 2019 9:01:02 GMT

Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 9:01:02 GMT

Hi

May seems be some mismatch between P3Dv4.4 and a navaids at KSAN, not sure where the might
be an issue, others seen same behavior ?

Location         : KSAN
Name             : San Diego intl
Approach        : ILS Y or LOC Y RWY 9 (I-SAN)

P3D seems to use         : 110.90 ( app crs 094 )
skyvector.com says       : 111.55 ( app crs 095 > approach-chart > “ILS Y or LOC Y RWY 9” )

To info:
- Win10/64b

- P3D v4.4

- Addons = Orbx South California (no addons airports in “South California “ area).
- If I ran “Installer v9.12” and export the “conflicts” to a text file and do a search on KSAN/ISAN
or 110,90/111,55 I didn’t get any conflicts msg.

* We are to guys doing same approach (2 computer with almost same setup/addons) and we both

has this mismatch issue between 110.90(working) and which I suppose to be correct 111.55.
(we both use the latest "World Navaids package")

Please advise

Brgds
Soren

Last Edit: Apr 6, 2019 9:02:15 GMT by Deleted

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KSAN "ILS Y or LOC Y RWY 9" (I-SAN) issue Apr 7, 2019 7:56:48 GMT

Post by Herve Sors on Apr 7, 2019 7:56:48 GMT

Hi Soren,

As indicated on my web page and the documentation, WorldNavaids package doesn't update ILSs outside the Europe area
For that you will have to download and install the ILS/Rwy regional update
Did you check the description that is provided here
www.aero.sors.fr/navaids3.html

I copy it just in case

The FSX/P3D World Navaids package will update navigational aids (VORs, NDBs) in selectable world areas (worldwide coverage). A multi-platform installer is provided and all original files are saved and can be restored. A PDF documentation is included. Be aware of some limitations/problems that may occur for those still using FS integrated flight planning (obsolete) or map view. See chapter 5 of documentation for details.
In Europe region, all data (VORs, NDBs, ILSs, runway identifiers, approach lighting systems, PAPIs, en route intersections and airways) are corrected.
In other regions, only VORs and NDBs are updated; consequently, in those regions, a few NDBs (those that are embedded in airport BGL files) will remain untouched resulting in a very few discrepancies. ILS/Rwy regional updates will be needed to correct other data (ILSs, rwy identifiers, embedded NDBs). See below.

ILS/Rwy regional updates will correct ILSs, airport names, runway identifiers, markers and all embedded NDBs in other regions than Europe. On airports with a precision approach, lightings and PAPIs are also corrected as well as COM frequencies on most airports. An automatic installer is provided. Note that each region can be installed separately; a worldwide update is also available (except for Europe that is already covered by the World Navaids package). See the included readme.txt files for more details and the coverage map. Note that installer will backup original files that can be restored at any time.

Let me know if you still have the mentioned problem after installing the relevant package

Hervé

Last Edit: Apr 7, 2019 10:57:35 GMT by Herve Sors

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KSAN "ILS Y or LOC Y RWY 9" (I-SAN) issue Apr 7, 2019 16:06:49 GMT

Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 16:06:49 GMT

Hi Hervé,

Sorry my mistake!....should of cause have read your great information before posting this!
* Its very clear that I need the pkg you refer to.

I have now reinstalled the pkg called "World (except Europe)", but may still seems to
be a issue, But let me double check my settings/setup and comeback later(just did a quick test).

Will also use the chance to say BIG Thanks for supporting out great Flight simulator
community with you great tools :-)

Last Edit: Apr 7, 2019 16:10:47 GMT by Deleted

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KSAN "ILS Y or LOC Y RWY 9" (I-SAN) issue Apr 7, 2019 16:15:03 GMT

Post by Herve Sors on Apr 7, 2019 16:15:03 GMT

Ok Soren..Let me know
In case you still observe a discrepancy between what you have in your simulator and the official published data (from FAA in such a case) the easiest way to sort out possible conflicts is to use my BGL Facility Scanner you can download here (no install)
www.aero.sors.fr/bgltools.html

For checking KSAN ILSs use the following settings:
Facility type: ILS
Search type: Associated airport (KSAN) -Leave Only potential duplicates unchecked
Scan location: Active sceneries
Then click on the scan button and look at the results

Hervé

Deleted Deleted Member Posts: 0	KSAN "ILS Y or LOC Y RWY 9" (I-SAN) issue Apr 7, 2019 16:40:28 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 16:40:28 GMT Hi Hervé, Okay thx, doing the scan right now will let you know the outcome when its finish, Soren

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KSAN "ILS Y or LOC Y RWY 9" (I-SAN) issue Apr 7, 2019 16:59:35 GMT

Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 16:59:35 GMT

Hi Hervé,

This is my "outcome", not sure I fully understand the result, does it says I have a mismatch between two diff bgl-files ?

outcome after runnign tool.bmp (564.32 KB)

Number of records= 4
ISAN KSAN 110,90 32,729788 -117,174114 QMID(9,67,81) ADE_FTX_SCA_KSAN.BGL 23/11/18 [170]
ISAN KSAN 111,55 32,730217 -117,175885 QMID(9,67,81) APX16200.BGL 28/03/19 [22]
IUBR KSAN 110,90 32,737345 -117,205289 QMID(9,66,81) ADE_FTX_SCA_KSAN.BGL 23/11/18 [170]
IUBR KSAN 110,90 32,737555 -117,206155 QMID(9,66,81) APX16200.BGL 28/03/19 [22]
END OF FILE

Brgds
Soren

Last Edit: Apr 7, 2019 17:14:21 GMT by Deleted

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KSAN "ILS Y or LOC Y RWY 9" (I-SAN) issue Apr 7, 2019 17:42:27 GMT

Post by Herve Sors on Apr 7, 2019 17:42:27 GMT

Ok Soren so ORBX addon scenery (ADE_FTX_KSAN) that has the highest priority defines a wrong ILS frequency (110.90) for ILS 09 (ISAN) as you can see (link of folder/file name is indicated at the bottom when you highlight any item)
Now you know from where it comes from. You may ask ORBX to correct that (humm)

ISAN KSAN 110,90 32,729788 -117,174114 QMID(9,67,81) ADE_FTX_SCA_KSAN.BGL 23/11/18 [170] -> ORBX (ILS 09)
ISAN KSAN 111,55 32,730217 -117,175885 QMID(9,67,81) APX16200.BGL 28/03/19 [22] -> Default "updated" file (ILS 09)
IUBR KSAN 110,90 32,737345 -117,205289 QMID(9,66,81) ADE_FTX_SCA_KSAN.BGL 23/11/18 [170] -> ORBX (LOC 27)
IUBR KSAN 110,90 32,737555 -117,206155 QMID(9,66,81) APX16200.BGL 28/03/19 [22] -> "updated" file (LOC 27)

Regards

Hervé

Last Edit: Apr 7, 2019 17:48:45 GMT by Herve Sors

Deleted Deleted Member Posts: 0	KSAN "ILS Y or LOC Y RWY 9" (I-SAN) issue Apr 7, 2019 18:16:22 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 18:16:22 GMT Hi Hervé, Okay I see, thanks for these clarifications, I will ask ORBX if they are willing to fix this issue. Thanks for your advise :-)

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